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There he is - a third way between the sanctions from the European Union towards Belarus and the rejection of any sanctions for "productive dialogue", insists on the Belarusian side? His arguments with ERB divided researcher at the Finnish Institute of International Relations Anais Marin.
ERB: EU sanctions against Belarus extended for another year without significant changes - 13 individuals and five companies from the "black list" of the EU struck out, but there entered three new people. Do you think that these sanctions give a positive result or better to abandon them and try to start a dialogue with a "clean slate"?
Anaïs Marin: No, certainly not yet released and rehabilitated all political the ups store prisoners should not be treated to such an option and unilaterally lift sanctions. With regard the ups store to the effectiveness of sanctions ... Even during a conference in Vilnius ("Strategy for future EU policy towards Belarus," the ups store which was held on October 28-29. - Approx. ERB) was felt to be ineffective as not strong the ups store enough. And if it pavsanktsyi, then from them and pavefekt. the ups store What do we have? So, last year released are Sannikov and Bondarenko, but 9 more political prisoners are still behind bars.
Anaïs Marin: Indeed, there are two tracks. On the one hand, on the official the ups store level bilateral relations the ups store are normal, no diplomatic the ups store mode - for the reason that there are political prisoners and so on. And here we have sanctions. There is a second track, and it is perceived by the Belarusian regime is actually as aggression - ignore them, and at the same time support and opposition, and the democratic forces and civil society. I also support this approach. But since there is such a sociological situation in Belarus, where up to 60% of the population the ups store do not understand what the aim of these sanctions, why they introduced and why, and in prisons sit are not political prisoners, and those who are actually in vain punished, what I stand for third track. And if I suggest depoliticization relations with Belarus as a country, I'm not talking about the need to depoliticize the relationship with the regime that need to collaborate with the regime. No! I say that it is necessary to start a third way, a third track for normal cooperation at this level, which is already cooperation goes. Individual sectors, with specific topics cooperation still goes. Unofficially the ups store individual EU countries, unfortunately, are a partnership, the business is going great! I'm talking about what we need to do it openly, transparently. And the representatives of civil society to monitor the ups store the situation.
Anaïs Marin: Yes. You do not have any democratic conventions, because it is - double standards. We know that the EU has, unfortunately, does not use such democratic claim the same for Belarus, for example, Azerbaijan. And so I say that it is necessary to leave open this third track for cooperation with Belarus as a country. Here we are primarily talking about at the local level - not all of them are loyal to the regime. And there are topics such as, for example, energy efficiency, which everyone understands and which are beneficial to all. And on such minor issues, I think we should all gather together for discussion and cooperation. There should not sound theme to release political prisoners the ups store - leave it for the first track. We need to get government the ups store officials and civil society representatives failed to agree. the ups store Well, at least, to have been able to talk. This is what, in my opinion, is not enough in the last 15-20 years in Belarus - dialogue. Enough talk about "dialogue the ups store on the modernization of Belarus" with the EU. What does the EU? Most importantly, the ups store what is most lacking in Belarus - the dialogue between the state and society. Let there be such a dialogue, and then you will be able to identify those topics on which you can find at least a minimum consensus. Will be determined when this topic - let EU spends money to finance further dialogue, "road maps" and gradual reforms. But on those topics where you can find a minimum consensus the ups store between Belarus - pro-Lukashenka its part and all the rest.
ERB: Many years financed by the EU and Belarus successfully operate in different "depoliticized" program - for cross-border cooperation, the environment, energy and so on. But neither any reforms, the ups store even more so - the gradual democratization of power or its transformation is not observed. To everything - well, not government wants to talk with civil society, to cooperate together to develop EU money ...
Anais Marie N: Yet I think there are opportunities for this. We say: the government, the official Minsk, Lukashenko ... And at the local level bureaucrats as much as officials of various administrations, directors of enterprises! Of nearly 1 million. These same people see that the current model is unstable, the economy is not growing, the ups store and that without subsidies Russia elected path - the path to nowhere. I think there should Gen.
There he is - a third way between the sanctions from the European Union towards Belarus and the rejection of any sanctions for "productive dialogue", insists on the Belarusian side? His arguments with ERB divided researcher at the Finnish Institute of International Relations Anais Marin.
ERB: EU sanctions against Belarus extended for another year without significant changes - 13 individuals and five companies from the "black list" of the EU struck out, but there entered three new people. Do you think that these sanctions give a positive result or better to abandon them and try to start a dialogue with a "clean slate"?
Anaïs Marin: No, certainly not yet released and rehabilitated all political the ups store prisoners should not be treated to such an option and unilaterally lift sanctions. With regard the ups store to the effectiveness of sanctions ... Even during a conference in Vilnius ("Strategy for future EU policy towards Belarus," the ups store which was held on October 28-29. - Approx. ERB) was felt to be ineffective as not strong the ups store enough. And if it pavsanktsyi, then from them and pavefekt. the ups store What do we have? So, last year released are Sannikov and Bondarenko, but 9 more political prisoners are still behind bars.
Anaïs Marin: Indeed, there are two tracks. On the one hand, on the official the ups store level bilateral relations the ups store are normal, no diplomatic the ups store mode - for the reason that there are political prisoners and so on. And here we have sanctions. There is a second track, and it is perceived by the Belarusian regime is actually as aggression - ignore them, and at the same time support and opposition, and the democratic forces and civil society. I also support this approach. But since there is such a sociological situation in Belarus, where up to 60% of the population the ups store do not understand what the aim of these sanctions, why they introduced and why, and in prisons sit are not political prisoners, and those who are actually in vain punished, what I stand for third track. And if I suggest depoliticization relations with Belarus as a country, I'm not talking about the need to depoliticize the relationship with the regime that need to collaborate with the regime. No! I say that it is necessary to start a third way, a third track for normal cooperation at this level, which is already cooperation goes. Individual sectors, with specific topics cooperation still goes. Unofficially the ups store individual EU countries, unfortunately, are a partnership, the business is going great! I'm talking about what we need to do it openly, transparently. And the representatives of civil society to monitor the ups store the situation.
Anaïs Marin: Yes. You do not have any democratic conventions, because it is - double standards. We know that the EU has, unfortunately, does not use such democratic claim the same for Belarus, for example, Azerbaijan. And so I say that it is necessary to leave open this third track for cooperation with Belarus as a country. Here we are primarily talking about at the local level - not all of them are loyal to the regime. And there are topics such as, for example, energy efficiency, which everyone understands and which are beneficial to all. And on such minor issues, I think we should all gather together for discussion and cooperation. There should not sound theme to release political prisoners the ups store - leave it for the first track. We need to get government the ups store officials and civil society representatives failed to agree. the ups store Well, at least, to have been able to talk. This is what, in my opinion, is not enough in the last 15-20 years in Belarus - dialogue. Enough talk about "dialogue the ups store on the modernization of Belarus" with the EU. What does the EU? Most importantly, the ups store what is most lacking in Belarus - the dialogue between the state and society. Let there be such a dialogue, and then you will be able to identify those topics on which you can find at least a minimum consensus. Will be determined when this topic - let EU spends money to finance further dialogue, "road maps" and gradual reforms. But on those topics where you can find a minimum consensus the ups store between Belarus - pro-Lukashenka its part and all the rest.
ERB: Many years financed by the EU and Belarus successfully operate in different "depoliticized" program - for cross-border cooperation, the environment, energy and so on. But neither any reforms, the ups store even more so - the gradual democratization of power or its transformation is not observed. To everything - well, not government wants to talk with civil society, to cooperate together to develop EU money ...
Anais Marie N: Yet I think there are opportunities for this. We say: the government, the official Minsk, Lukashenko ... And at the local level bureaucrats as much as officials of various administrations, directors of enterprises! Of nearly 1 million. These same people see that the current model is unstable, the economy is not growing, the ups store and that without subsidies Russia elected path - the path to nowhere. I think there should Gen.
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